Post: Should sex case defendants get anonymity until proven guilty?
02-16-2013, 11:47 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So I was reading the news and I noticed this article and it began to grind my gears a little and with no comments section on the article I can't post my opinions there so instead I decided I'd make a discussion topic on NGU.

Here's the article:

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Sex case defendants 'should get anonymity'

Suspects in sex cases should have their identities protected until they are convicted, a senior lawyer has said.

Maura McGowan QC, chairman of the Bar Council of England and Wales, said defendants should get the same right to anonymity as complainants.

She wants the change because sexual allegations carry "such a stigma".

But the charity Rape Crisis said anonymity for defendants would discourage people from reporting sex crimes and "victimise victims further".

Ms McGowan told BBC Radio 5 live: "Until they have been proven to have done something as awful as this, I think there is a strong argument in cases of this sort - because they carry such stigma with them - to maintain the defendant's anonymity.

"But once the defendant is convicted then of course everything should be open to scrutiny and to the public."
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Jo Wood, of the charity Rape Crisis, said it would "never condone" anonymity for defendants in sex cases.

"There are so many barriers to victims reporting sexual violence," she said.

"Hiding the name of their perpetrator is just one more way to victimise victims further."

Ms McGowan said there were arguments on both sides. When anonymity had been accorded to defendants before "there was a sense that perhaps it was affording too much protection to people. There is obviously a public interest in open justice - people would say they're entitled to know not simply who's convicted, but who's been accused."

In cases like that of Jimmy Savile, she added, it might be that "if one complainant comes forward against a person, it might give other people who don't know her - but who went through the same experience - the courage to come forward as well."

The treatment of those involved in sex cases has gained attention recently following the apparent suicide of Frances Andrade, 48, after giving evidence at the trial of Michael Brewer.

Plans to restore anonymity to rape defendants were included in the 2010 coalition agreement but the scheme was dropped later that year. Ministers said there was "not enough evidence" to justify the move.

Anonymity was granted to rape defendants under the 1976 Sexual Offences Act but removed in 1988.


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So my feelings on this are that the accused should already have anonymity, and the people defending not giving the accused anonymity are okay with possibly fucking up innocent peoples lives.

Here's how I see it, picture this you are accused of rape by your recently broken up with girlfriend you have done nothing but she's pissed off and wants to get back at you. The case involving you is blown out of proportion and you have your reputation ruined, lynch mobs after you threatening you for raping an innocent girl. mail box filled with hate mail yet you know you have done nothing wrong. The case goes to court and after it all you are found innocent but yet your reputation has been severely damaged and now trying to get a job or anything is going to be incredibly fucking hard let alone getting back to normal life.

This could all be avoided if the accused were given anonymity at least until they are found guilt (To me this seems like the logical thing to do and how it should already fucking be) but yet the reason they give for not giving the accused anonymity is that and here's a quote from the charity rape crisis "anonymity for defendants would discourage people from reporting sex crimes and "victimise victims further""

So it's not okay to "victimise victims further" but it is essential okay to deny an accused person anonymity until they are proven guilty just in case it so happens that they are not found guilty.

The only real claim they have is that other people might come forward if the accused has possibly raped more than one, but surely and again this should be up to a judge or the police if they so deem it necessary to release the persons information. I mean not everybody accused of rape is a Jimmy Savile scale rapist but yes in some cases perhaps if you release the accuseds personal information one or tow other may come forward. But really this should be up to the courst to decide and I mean if they feel that there is the possibility that the accused could have raped more than one person then it should be up to them to release his information, not for it to be public from the beginning. This could have the reverse effect though, I often wonder how many "victims" in the Jimmy Savile case just got involved for a metaphorical slice of the pie and an easy bit of compensation money.

So what are your thoughts guys, this article really fucked me off to no end and I need to vent somewhere about it.
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02-17-2013, 01:30 AM #2
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
No details about the personal problems or even offenses of people should be publizied as some sort of news article until said people involved have each provided their sides of the story and the case is over.

Having info like that disclosed can ruin someones life entirely, and its just rude imo to do in general.

Your supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, so you can't treat a rape suspect like he did do it, yes all men are rapists but you can't treat each individual man that appears in court like he has already committed a vile act on a woman without her consent.

The damn justice system is so foul you have innocent people getting locked up and guilty people being treated with such respect, its almost like they promote criminal activity or something. Education is limited to the few, the prideful, and the strong.

Also, stuff like this only provides a feeding ground for trolls.

Too many crazy bitches in this world...
02-17-2013, 01:41 AM #3
For me it's a resounding yes. Lives can be and often are ruined by false sexual assault (and other) claims, and even if proven innocent it can cost you your job, your family... essentially your life.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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02-17-2013, 01:45 AM #4
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Clutch
For me it's a resounding yes. Lives can be and often are ruined by false sexual assault (and other) claims, and even if proven innocent it can cost you your job, your family... essentially your life.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


When the gov decided to become more troll, unreasonable, and unfair about legal issues among other things.

People think this world is improving, we are quickly heading to ruin with each passing day, something needs to be done.
02-17-2013, 02:21 AM #5
No, it gives the community a chance to be on the look out to see if they are doing anything illegal or suspicious
02-17-2013, 02:44 AM #6
Originally posted by khalar9 View Post
No, it gives the community a chance to be on the look out to see if they are doing anything illegal or suspicious


What about the countless number of men whose lives have been ruined by false claims of sexual assault?
02-19-2013, 12:18 AM #7
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Yes
Can't see why it a bad thing to do may bring more cases to court.
03-06-2013, 06:36 AM #8
GDP
"Child please..." - C. Johnson
I can see people's point of view on not acting as if he's already convicted, and I understand that point. HELL, I was at one point accused of sexual harrassment (that lying, trifflin'-@$$...*sighs*. On topic...). I proved my innocence, but until then I was looked at as if I was already guilty, a little even after. That sucked, but in my heart I'd rather have someone go through that then letting someone who did sexually assault someone walk away scott-free. I guess it's the lesser of two evils...*shrugs*

Keomo, what do you mean, "all men are rapists"? Gasp Well, damn...lol.
03-06-2013, 09:39 AM #9
Originally posted by GDP View Post
I can see people's point of view on not acting as if he's already convicted, and I understand that point. HELL, I was at one point accused of sexual harrassment (that lying, trifflin'-@$$...*sighs*. On topic...). I proved my innocence, but until then I was looked at as if I was already guilty, a little even after. That sucked, but in my heart I'd rather have someone go through that then letting someone who did sexually assault someone walk away scott-free. I guess it's the lesser of two evils...*shrugs*

Keomo, what do you mean, "all men are rapists"? Gasp Well, damn...lol.


I think this really comes down to a philosophical slant - capital punishment serves as a good example. Would you rather an innocent die or a guilty person go free? I'm firmly in favour of the latter, but others aren't, and I think at that point we reach an impasse.
03-06-2013, 10:18 PM #10
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by GDP View Post


Keomo, what do you mean, "all men are rapists"? Gasp Well, damn...lol.


Men are generally more aggressive then women etc etc, a bunch of other factors and are just more liable to doing the deed, majority of the raped are women- followed by a low amount of men, you can probably add that in with homosexuals, but im not sure how that ties in with rape... It's not something i study, but damn. But yeah as men rape is just waiting at the bottom of they're very soul, if they not currently banging a woman, they either gonna need to/turn to the dark side/suicide/get locked up. Sex is a requirement, like food, you also have to maintain it and get a healthy filling.

I'm not entirely sure what causes rape, but i read something up about some school teacher in NY who was raped by a police officer (Lol) threatened at gunpoint, she looks ight, but thats not the point, this was a teacher who was going to a freaking elementary school to teach children, who was raped by a cop on her way to said school. Fuck the Police. Also, he commited said acts up her rear, so it didnt classify as rape but as sexual assault or some shit rofl- apprantly it only counts as rape if its via vaginal penetration? She got mad and decided to fight to get it classified as rape, doesnt really matter since hes getting life regardless, but i guess i can see where shes coming from...? But yeah, i firmly believe any man is capable of rape and is just a undercover sexual deviant. Also, date rape (Alcohol, or even none but making advances on people you already KNOW- People are more likely to try having sexual relations with people they know) may play a factor as well in this. So many things.

Originally posted by Clutch
I think this really comes down to a philosophical slant - capital punishment serves as a good example. Would you rather an innocent die or a guilty person go free? I'm firmly in favour of the latter, but others aren't, and I think at that point we reach an impasse.


No such thing as Justice in this world. I wanted to be a lawyer at one point, but then the truth appeared.

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