Post: Why the 10 Strikes Bill Won't Affect YouTube Gaming.
07-08-2011, 04:12 PM #1
TairyHesticles
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I can't remember the name of the bill, but the one that's been floating around Congress making it to where you can't post more then 10 videos of Copyrighted material within 6 months or something along the lines of that. Now everyone has been flipping shit lately because they think Machinima and the entire YouTube gaming community will be ****ed. This is not the case at all.

Worst case scenario, let's say the bill passes. Gaming companies like us putting videos of the game up, it's like free advertising to them. if they didn't like it they would have stopped it over 2 years ago when it started. On every game you see a FBI Warning thin saying you can't make copies of the game, resell it for profit, etc. When it passes they will probably write a new disclaimer saying that when you buy the game you have the right to post videos of it but not to resell it or make copies, or they might say it's OK to make videos and they won't press charges. IF they don't do any of that, they will definitely work something out with Machinima and YouTube partners to where it's okay for them to post videos. The little guys 'might' get f*cked over on it but everyone else should be fine.

This law applies more to TV shows, movies, and music.
Bottom line. Gaming videos make games more money. Game developers like money, and they will allow the gaming videos to keep getting posted. Winky Winky
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07-08-2011, 04:21 PM #2
DC12X
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Originally posted by TairyHesticles View Post
I can't remember the name of the bill, but the one that's been floating around Congress making it to where you can't post more then 10 videos of Copyrighted material within 6 months or something along the lines of that. Now everyone has been flipping shit lately because they think Machinima and the entire YouTube gaming community will be ****ed. This is not the case at all.

Worst case scenario, let's say the bill passes. Gaming companies like us putting videos of the game up, it's like free advertising to them .If the didn't like it they would have stopped it over 2 years ago when it started. On every game you see a FBI Warning thin saying you can't make copies of the game, resell it for profit, etc. When it passes they will probably write a new disclaimer saying that when you buy the game you have the right to post videos of it but not to resell it or make copies, or they might say it's OK to make videos and they won't press charges. IF they don't do any of that, they will definitely work something out with Machinima and YouTube partners to where it's okay for them to post videos. The little guys 'might' get f*cked over on it but everyone else should be fine.

This law applies more to TV shows, movies, and music.
Bottom line. Gaming videos make games more money. Game developers like money, and they will allow the gaming videos to keep getting posted. Winky Winky


Bill S.978 is the bill you speak of.

Here's the problem.

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‘(2) shall be imprisoned not more than 5 years, fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both, if--

‘(A) the offense consists of 10 or more public performances by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copyrighted works; and

‘(B)(i) the total retail value of the performances, or the total economic value of such public performances to the infringer or to the copyright owner, would exceed $2,500; or

‘(ii) the total fair market value of licenses to offer performances of those works would exceed $5,000;’; and

(2) in subsection (f), by striking paragraph (2) and inserting the following:

‘(2) the terms ‘reproduction’, ‘distribution’, and ‘public performance’ refer to the exclusive rights of a copyright owner under clauses (1), (3), (4), and (6), respectively of section 106 (relating to exclusive rights in copyrighted works), as limited by sections 107 through 122, of title 17;’.


It doesn't matter if they like it or it makes them money. The gaming companies have No Say whatsoever. You need to obtain legal permission (Hell, knowing this government, legal document) to have fair use of whatever is in question to infringe copyright. It doesn't matter what the companies say, if they government sees that you used something without documentation, they will chase you. A disclaimer won't probably work. It hasn't worked on Piracy, and it probably won't work here. This is the problem with it. If the bill passes, the government has control of this kind of media, how the companies sees it will not be accounted for.

It's not how the companies feel, it's our he government feels.

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ResistTheSun
07-08-2011, 04:46 PM #3
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Wow, America is cracking down on shit like this eh? Glad it's not that strict over England, yet. IMO, it's too much hassle for the ISP's to track down who downloads what. Imagen them having to look through billions of downloads to see what's copyright and what's now. Not going to happen. They only way people get caught is through use torrents that companies upload, I think anyway.
07-08-2011, 05:14 PM #4
JKLAZ
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This is complete BS. wiill it pass?
07-08-2011, 05:22 PM #5
IDunc
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It better now pass. I think DC12X is right.
07-08-2011, 06:02 PM #6
TairyHesticles
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Originally posted by DC12X View Post
Bill S.978 is the bill you speak of.

Here's the problem.



It doesn't matter if they like it or it makes them money. The gaming companies have No Say whatsoever. You need to obtain legal permission (Hell, knowing this government, legal document) to have fair use of whatever is in question to infringe copyright. It doesn't matter what the companies say, if they government sees that you used something without documentation, they will chase you. A disclaimer won't probably work. It hasn't worked on Piracy, and it probably won't work here. This is the problem with it. If the bill passes, the government has control of this kind of media, how the companies sees it will not be accounted for.

It's not how the companies feel, it's our he government feels.


Even if a disclaimer won't work and you need to obtain legal documents giving permission from the game company, I'm sure they'll be willing to give it out. I'm saying it won't be enforced like some music videos are where the label takes it down and no one can put it back up. They'll probably put an application for a permission form on their website that you can fill out and they can approve. Basically, the gaming companies will find a way around it to allow people to continue posting videos, if no one else then definitely Activision. Think of how many map packs and games they sell because of reviews on YouTube? They don't even need to advertise on TV anymore like they did with W@W map packs. Free advertising= They'd be crazy not to.

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Originally posted by IDunc View Post
It better now pass. I think DC12X is right.


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07-08-2011, 06:03 PM #7
if it does im going to get alot more subcribers lol
07-08-2011, 06:05 PM #8
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Sadly the gov feels is lobby groups feeling this case media industry

I hope this badly worded bill is changed or we facing issues ahead.
Funny thing is it shows just how out of touch the media companies are in a modern media driven world
07-08-2011, 06:05 PM #9
IDunc
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Originally posted by TairyHesticles View Post
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Yeah, it makes sense what you're saying. But why would we want to go through all hassle. Just try to get this bill turned down.
07-08-2011, 06:39 PM #10
DC12X
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Originally posted by TairyHesticles View Post
Even if a disclaimer won't work and you need to obtain legal documents giving permission from the game company, I'm sure they'll be willing to give it out. I'm saying it won't be enforced like some music videos are where the label takes it down and no one can put it back up. They'll probably put an application for a permission form on their website that you can fill out and they can approve. Basically, the gaming companies will find a way around it to allow people to continue posting videos, if no one else then definitely Activision. Think of how many map packs and games they sell because of reviews on YouTube? They don't even need to advertise on TV anymore like they did with W@W map packs. Free advertising= They'd be crazy not to.


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I would rather not chance on what could happen and have things stay the way they are.

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