Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-21-2011, 05:14 PM #2
Yet another contradiction to our country's promise of ultimate "Freedom". I think gay people should be able to do anything a straight person can do, and shouldn't be discriminated against.

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09-21-2011, 05:17 PM #3
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Disgusting...

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09-21-2011, 05:19 PM #4
Originally posted by Ryder
Disgusting...


You think gay marriage is disgusting? Try hating someone for being who they are and loving who they love; That's disgusting.

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09-21-2011, 05:34 PM #5
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Originally posted by Muncher View Post
You think gay marriage is disgusting? Try hating someone for being who they are and loving who they love; That's disgusting.


No need to quote me if you got what I meant. /facepalm

I think gays are disgusting, I don't say I hate them and hunt them down, it's just disgusting in my opinion. Men should marry women. If it continues like that humans won't exist in a thousand years or whatever. If you don't like my opinion, well I honestly don't give a **** :dumb:

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09-21-2011, 05:44 PM #6
I dont see how its not totally legal yet. If their gay, let them be happy and gay, so what? I mean it might be awkward seeing more and more gays married at first but just like interracial marriage it will become a common thing i bet. I mean interracial marriage use to be illegal, hell back in the 20's or 30's a movie even got ban for showing interracial marriage. Now look at it, its common has hell.

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09-21-2011, 05:46 PM #7
Originally posted by Ryder
Men should marry women.


Why should men only marry women(and women only men)? Marriage is a man-made invention, and it's used to signify your love for your partner and the fact you want to spend the rest of your life with them. Gender doesn't come into the equation whatsoever.

Originally posted by another user
I think gays are disgusting, I don't say I hate them and hunt them down, it's just disgusting in my opinion.


So what? Finding homosexuality disgusting is no reason to prevent two men/women from marrying one-another. It doesn't concern you, and homosexuals shouldn't be made to suffer just because you don't like what they do in the confines of their own homes.

Originally posted by another user
If it continues like that humans won't exist in a thousand years or whatever.


Men and women have been heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual for a long, long time, difference is now the oppression against their sexuality is finally being lifted. Also bare this in mind; There are 7 billion (approx) people on this planet. Biologically the chances of their ancestors all being homosexual in a thousand years or so is beyond unlikely, and even if miraculously that did happen science can still intervene. Our sexuality won't be the thing to kill us off as a species, even if somehow everyone does turn gay(which is both unlikely and stupid as ****).

Originally posted by another user
If you don't like my opinion, well I honestly don't give a **** :dumb:


Well this is a debating section, if you don't come into here with an open mind you may as-well leave, to be honest.

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09-21-2011, 05:48 PM #8
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Theres nothing wrong with it at all. Love is love and i am personally straight but it doesnt bother me that someones gay.

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09-21-2011, 05:50 PM #9
Originally posted by Ryder
No need to quote me if you got what I meant. /facepalm

I think gays are disgusting, I don't say I hate them and hunt them down, it's just disgusting in my opinion. Men should marry women. If it continues like that humans won't exist in a thousand years or whatever. If you don't like my opinion, well I honestly don't give a **** :dumb:


We have nearly 7 billion people in the world, we are extremely over-populated as it is. So if you look at it this way (which is the wrong way to look at it) but yeah they can't reproduce. Which means less babies and more adoption. Everything about gay marriages is good.

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09-21-2011, 05:56 PM #10
Originally posted by ryder
you really put some effort in this post, too bad i just read the first part because i just don't care what you say. If you think it's okay that gays can mary gays i respect that since it's your opinion. Why don't you respect my opinion? As i said, i don't give a **** if you don't like my opinion, why do you keep quoting me, guys?

Very boring... :dumb: I just reply to raise my post count btw :carling:


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