Post: Speed of light is wrong
09-22-2011, 08:12 PM #1
ResistTheSun
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); It would appear that CERN has found a major bombshell. Hidden within a couple years worth of data.
Sub-atomic particles have been found to be traveling faster then light particles.
Strange particles which did the feat was from a group called neutrinos.

What does this mean........wellll Einstein was wrong. Along with a couple other theories which use it numbers.
If this is true then science is put into a right pickle.

Best news time travel IS possible and it was found by accident.
Found it interesting so posted it. What do people think could it be possible ?
In this day and age stuff like this is checked before released so could be true.

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09-22-2011, 08:24 PM #2
im intrigued !!!
09-22-2011, 08:53 PM #3
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E≠mc2



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09-22-2011, 09:48 PM #4
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Originally posted by another user
The reporting here is incorrect. Einstein’s theory *DOES NOT HOLD* that nothing can travel faster than light. That is a very common misconception. Einstein’s theory starts with one axiom (a self evident truth) and one postulate (a statement deemed to be true without further argument). The axiom from Einstein’s theory can be stated: the laws of physics should not depend on the frame of reference of the observer. This is a self evident truth. The postulate can be stated: light will be measured to travel at the same speed by all observers regardless of reference frame. This postulate was based on experimental evidence available in 1905 and still available today. When the axiom and postulate are applied to observers traveling at constant speed relative to one another, you get the special theory of relativity, published as part of Einsteins 1905 paper. One of the conclusions is that “the speed of light is constant and absolute in free space”. It falls out of the mathematics. This conclusion is part of the special theory of relativity. It has to date not been dis-proven. If it is, then the postulate must be incorrect. It would mean that light *can* be measured to travel at a different speed depending on the frame of reference of the observer. I don’t get from the article that this is what has occurred. When the axiom and postulate are applied to gravitational and accelerating frames of reference, you the general theory of relativity, published in 1916. The general relativity mathematics bring forth strange things like black holes, worm holes, time warps, time travel etc. in the so called “fabric of space and time.” The stuff science fiction authors and buff’s are so enamored with. Including me. Most of it has not been practically realized. Only the more mundane stuff like gravity lenses, time dilation, length contraction have been observed. If any experiment can be performed that is in contradiction to the conclusions, then we would merely say, as would Einstein, that the postulate of the constancy of the speed of light, regardless of reference frame, must be incorrect. That’s not such a big deal, really. It would change a lot of physics. It would be very exciting. But it would just mean that the one postulate, one that none of us have ever been able to intuit anyway, is incorrect.

This is not the first time that experiments have been performed that have particles traveling faster than light *in a medium other than free space*. In this case neutrinos travel through, air, water and apparently rock faster than light does. That does not violate the fundamental postulate that the speed of light is constant regardless of the frame of reference of the observer.

Get it right.

Dr. Karl Hudnut, UCAR – COSMIC.


A comment I seen whilst reading this article like an hour ago.

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09-22-2011, 10:14 PM #5
Chronos
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So they travel 60 nanoseconds quicker.. Couldn't this be a fault in the observing equipment or something?
09-22-2011, 11:14 PM #6
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Originally posted by Chronos View Post
So they travel 60 nanoseconds quicker.. Couldn't this be a fault in the observing equipment or something?


And they did travel over 500km, so there could be interference between particles.
09-22-2011, 11:23 PM #7
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I'm interested into the time travelling part :p

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09-22-2011, 11:49 PM #8
How does this make time travel real? We already ready know time travel to the future is possible, just not to the past.
09-23-2011, 12:08 AM #9
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Originally posted by Phobick View Post
How does this make time travel real? We already ready know time travel to the future is possible, just not to the past.


If you could travel through a wormhole, where one exit is light years behind the other, then in theory it is possible. The problem is keeping the entrances and exits open. Some have proposed that if you release enough negative matter in the wormhole, then it will expand instead of contract. This isn't a question for anyone in this lifetime though. It's melancholy, "limited by the technology of our time."

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09-23-2011, 12:23 AM #10
Originally posted by Sexy
If you could travel through a wormhole, where one exit is light years behind the other, then in theory it is possible. The problem is keeping the entrances and exits open. Some have proposed that if you release enough negative matter in the wormhole, then it will expand instead of contract. This isn't a question for anyone in this lifetime though. It's melancholy, "limited by the technology of our time."
We actually have a good chance to find out in our lifetime. Scientist say that if you take our society level (technology speaking) of the 20 century(like the progress we made-exp riding horses to going to the moon) we should x1000 in progress by then end of this century. Is that to confusing or do u understand what im trying to say.

---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 PM ----------

Originally posted by Sexy
If you could travel through a wormhole, where one exit is light years behind the other, then in theory it is possible. The problem is keeping the entrances and exits open. Some have proposed that if you release enough negative matter in the wormhole, then it will expand instead of contract. This isn't a question for anyone in this lifetime though. It's melancholy, "limited by the technology of our time."
Also im curious how that would cause time travel? Because i thought with our current understanding of wormhole's its just the bending of space between two points. So wouldn't that just cause instant travel over large distances but not through time?

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