Post: Is the universe determinestic since the big bang? Does true randomness exist?
02-24-2012, 05:39 AM #1
plasma_lemon
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Given the exact same big bang, would this universe turn out exactly the same? Would I be typing this right now?

Computer random number generators aren't ENTIRELY random. Although, they ARE pretty unpredictable. Dice rolls aren't random. The dice you roll depends entirely on how you roll the die.

Are subatomic particles truly random? Or is there some force controlling them?

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02-24-2012, 06:10 AM #2
Just4Hax
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Originally posted by lemon View Post
Given the exact same big bang, would this universe turn out exactly the same? Would I be typing this right now?

Computer random number generators aren't ENTIRELY random. Although, they ARE pretty unpredictable. Dice rolls aren't random. The dice you roll depends entirely on how you roll the die.

Are subatomic particles truly random? Or is there some force controlling them?

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1. I don't know enough on the Big Bang to give any thoughts on this
2. No force controls anything (inb4 some creationist says God)
02-24-2012, 12:48 PM #3
Nothing is truly random as free will is something of a deceit of our complex minds, and our minds like everything else follow a certain pattern of inevitable decisions for want of a better word, based on the environment around us.
02-27-2012, 11:03 PM #4
El Violador
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There is randomness in our minds, etc. But not things that happen. If the universe exploded again then earth would still exist and all. But it's inhabitants would act differently or even evolve differently.
02-27-2012, 11:19 PM #5
Originally posted by Conium View Post
There is randomness in our minds.


Not true randomness, merely extremely complex events finalising in a certain decision that gives the illusion of free will.
02-27-2012, 11:36 PM #6
El Violador
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Originally posted by Clutch
Not true randomness, merely extremely complex events finalising in a certain decision that gives the illusion of free will.


So you're saying I can't make any choices for myself?
02-28-2012, 12:19 AM #7
Just4Hax
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Originally posted by Conium View Post
So you're saying I can't make any choices for myself?

He's saying the idea of freewill is an illusion. You get to choose, but you will be choosing based off multiple events and such that have impacted you.

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02-28-2012, 12:28 AM #8
El Violador
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Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
He's saying the idea of freewill is an illusion. You get to choose, but you will be choosing based off multiple events and such that have impacted you.


But I could still choose either way, in free will. Yes our environment impacts it, but we still have choices.
02-28-2012, 12:30 AM #9
Just4Hax
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Originally posted by Conium View Post
But I could still choose either way, in free will. Yes our environment impacts it, but we still have choices.

Your choice is going to be based off factors your not choosing though
02-28-2012, 12:33 AM #10
El Violador
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Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Your choice is going to be based off factors your not choosing though


The factors have influence, but we could still choose to go against the factors if we wish.

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