Post: Dispute against Kilam
07-04-2015, 11:52 AM #1
Tears
Temp is my dad.
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Accused Scammer's Username: Kilam
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Did you: [Buy/Sell/Trade] Sell


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You must login or register to view this content. (him saying hes going to pay more if it looks nice)
You must login or register to view this content. stating he will pay more (i didnt ask him too))
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You must login or register to view this content. (him sending the 3rd payment


You must login or register to view this content. him threatening to charge back because i didnt have a design finished (he kept making me redo it because he didnt like it) and saying he will lie and remove the designs i did for him from ngu and claim i did nothing (bruh)
You must login or register to view this content. him demanding shit and claiming he spent $30 on 1 design even though he bought 1 of everything off my service (as seen in the first screenshot)
You must login or register to view this content. him telling me to refund for the designs that werent finished whenever i was able to
You must login or register to view this content. here you can see he charged back for everything. Even the designs that i already finished for him.


When did this happen: 7/4/2105


How did you purchase:{Paypal/PSN ETC]
(Please show proof of payment/goods sent if possible)


How much?: $29


Have you contacted the scammer?:- Yes
If yes, What did they say?:- Nothing


Other comments: Im most likely going to stop selling on here. Too many scammers. Id like to not have my paypal a negative fee.
07-05-2015, 07:33 PM #11
Kam
Investor - Future Millionaire
Originally posted by Jinsul View Post
Me blocking and unblocking you would require one of us to send the other a contact request and the other accept it. You know it didnt fucking happen obviously because you can not prove it because everything you are saying did. not. happen. you cant give a design back after someone made it for you. Nope doesnt work like that. If i offered refunds for shit i already made for people i would state that in my thread. no one blocked you on skype and you are in the wrong for scamming. Thats all you are, a scammer.


Really? Have you seen all the feedback I get from my customers? You have opened so many disputes for the stupidest reasons. People pay for designers to try their best and do the best they can for a customer. Obviously, you are not good enough for that. You have to get all lazy just because you're tired etc. Just close your shop down... You don't even try...
07-05-2015, 08:04 PM #12
Originally posted by Kilam View Post
Really? Have you seen all the feedback I get from my customers? You have opened so many disputes for the stupidest reasons. People pay for designers to try their best and do the best they can for a customer. Obviously, you are not good enough for that. You have to get all lazy just because you're tired etc. Just close your shop down... You don't even try...


Originally posted by Jinsul View Post
Me blocking and unblocking you would require one of us to send the other a contact request and the other accept it. You know it didnt fucking happen obviously because you can not prove it because everything you are saying did. not. happen. you cant give a design back after someone made it for you. Nope doesnt work like that. If i offered refunds for shit i already made for people i would state that in my thread. no one blocked you on skype and you are in the wrong for scamming. Thats all you are, a scammer.


From what I can tell, Kilam, you have paid $15 for the initial graphic designs correct? You say that you sent an additional $14 for them to be improved, but he failed to finish the job. Therefore, from this information, I think that $15 should be given to Jinsul as he completed the initial designs whether or not you like them since this is what you paid for.

Jinsul, can I have proof that you sent the original graphic designs to him as this was what was originally requested. Kilam also stated that you failed to finish the job on improving the designs. Could you provide any evidence of sending improved versions at all? If you have not improved the designs or have denied improving them, that is also fine. Please let me know.
07-05-2015, 08:34 PM #13
Kam
Investor - Future Millionaire
Originally posted by Insight View Post
From what I can tell, Kilam, you have paid $15 for the initial graphic designs correct? You say that you sent an additional $14 for them to be improved, but he failed to finish the job. Therefore, from this information, I think that $15 should be given to Jinsul as he completed the initial designs whether or not you like them since this is what you paid for.

Jinsul, can I have proof that you sent the original graphic designs to him as this was what was originally requested. Kilam also stated that you failed to finish the job on improving the designs. Could you provide any evidence of sending improved versions at all? If you have not improved the designs or have denied improving them, that is also fine. Please let me know.


I am not sending all $15 back. He failed to finish my service shop and background which puts him back at $7. He removed the background from his shop.
07-05-2015, 08:37 PM #14
Originally posted by Kilam View Post
I am not sending all $15 back. He failed to finish my service shop and background which puts him back at $7. He removed the background from his shop.


So which GFX did he actually provide? From what I can see you should send him the money of the products initially paid for and received.
07-06-2015, 02:03 AM #15
Tears
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Originally posted by Insight View Post
From what I can tell, Kilam, you have paid $15 for the initial graphic designs correct? You say that you sent an additional $14 for them to be improved, but he failed to finish the job. Therefore, from this information, I think that $15 should be given to Jinsul as he completed the initial designs whether or not you like them since this is what you paid for.

Jinsul, can I have proof that you sent the original graphic designs to him as this was what was originally requested. Kilam also stated that you failed to finish the job on improving the designs. Could you provide any evidence of sending improved versions at all? If you have not improved the designs or have denied improving them, that is also fine. Please let me know.

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i only owe him a background and a service table which would only equal $4 of designs. No i didnt remove anything from my shop kilam you need to stop lying it isnt going to help you. He sent the 14 after i finished all of this because he thought it was good. So that shouldnt be refunded.
07-06-2015, 04:13 AM #16
Kam
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Originally posted by Jinsul View Post
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i only owe him a background and a service table which would only equal $4 of designs. No i didnt remove anything from my shop kilam you need to stop lying it isnt going to help you. He sent the 14 after i finished all of this because he thought it was good. So that shouldnt be refunded.


No. Stop lying. I sent the $14 after the logo, which was the first thing.
07-06-2015, 04:53 AM #17
Tears
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Originally posted by Kilam View Post
No. Stop lying. I sent the $14 after the logo, which was the first thing.


no ones lying except you. You sent $7 after the logo BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. Then sent $7 more after everything else BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. You even messaged me asking for the $14 back because you were broke and you wanted to buy something. Im done talking to a little ass kid making up a bunch of dumb shit.
07-06-2015, 04:59 AM #18
Kam
Investor - Future Millionaire
Originally posted by Jinsul View Post
no ones lying except you. You sent $7 after the logo BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. Then sent $7 more after everything else BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. You even messaged me asking for the $14 back because you were broke and you wanted to buy something. Im done talking to a little ass kid making up a bunch of dumb shit.


Broke? I just wanted my money back... I am not broke. Your trash shop is so bad. Who expects to make a decent amount of money if they can't get off their chair. If you won't try on your GFX, you honestly shouldn't even be a designer. Just leave. You open a dispute against me cause I charged back, well too bad. I am a scammer? I have opened 1 dispute, and it was just an error in timezones. You have opened around 5. None of my customers were unhappy. I guarantee you more than one were unhappy. Stop calling me a scammer because I don't scam. You are just jealous that GFX isn't fun. I get paid to do something fun. You should honestly just quit and get a real job.
07-06-2015, 02:43 PM #19
Originally posted by Kilam View Post
Broke? I just wanted my money back... I am not broke. Your trash shop is so bad. Who expects to make a decent amount of money if they can't get off their chair. If you won't try on your GFX, you honestly shouldn't even be a designer. Just leave. You open a dispute against me cause I charged back, well too bad. I am a scammer? I have opened 1 dispute, and it was just an error in timezones. You have opened around 5. None of my customers were unhappy. I guarantee you more than one were unhappy. Stop calling me a scammer because I don't scam. You are just jealous that GFX isn't fun. I get paid to do something fun. You should honestly just quit and get a real job.


Originally posted by Jinsul View Post
no ones lying except you. You sent $7 after the logo BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. Then sent $7 more after everything else BECAUSE YOU LIKED IT. You even messaged me asking for the $14 back because you were broke and you wanted to buy something. Im done talking to a little ass kid making up a bunch of dumb shit.


These insults are absolutely ridiculous and unhelpful. They do not add to the dispute, please stop. From what I can tell, the amount of money that should be refunded is the initial payment. Whether he paid you extra because he liked it is up to him, it is not part of the actual sale of the GFX. I hope you'd understand. Either way, Kilam you owe Jinsul money for what you initially requested and what Jinsul has delivered. The total cost from what I understand will be a total of $11 minus the $4 from uncompleted requests and $14 from the "extra" money.

In summary, Kilam, you must pay back the $11 for what has been done and received.

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