Post: Why Evolution?
10-24-2011, 12:22 PM #1
TornadoCreator
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Naturally, I'm talking about the anti-evolution movement which is being mocked and ridiculed by everyone with at least a high school education. It's been bothering me for a while but I wanted to put it in text because really I'd love an answer to some questions from at least one Creationist (and I know NGU has at least a couple of crazies so don't be shy). My question is simply this...

Why Evolution?

Of all the scientific theories to decide your religion is incompatible with, why this one? It makes so little sense. There are literally thousands of scientific theories, some of them, particularly when it comes to areas like quantum physics, that have little supporting evidence, or are entirely theoretical, supported by mathematical models only as they're effectively untestable with current technology. So why pick Evolution, one of the most studied, most well understood, most important modern scientific theory of the last 200 years. Evolution is the basis behind agriculture, animal breading, all forms of medical research, and modern sanitation. Without understanding the mechanisms of Evolution, our species would still have life expectancies in the 40's.

Now, I've come to a conclusion, but I don't understand the reasoning.

Creationists are arguing against Evolution when they actively know Evolution is a fact. Why? I'm honestly not sure...

Creationist tend towards the following actions:

First they will describe Evolution in an incorrect manner or completely change the subject all together. Asking how life began or asking for "evolution" to explain why the planets formed. This is obviously stupid, that's like asking me to tell you how Gravity explains the flavour of cheddar cheese. Gravity has sod all to do with cheese, just as Evolution has sod all to do with the planets forming or the beginning of life. The thing is, every time a Creationist makes this argument we tell them what Evolution actually is, so they already know their error. We don't need to tell them again. They're ACTIVELY ignoring our arguments and making up completely fake ones because they already know the memorised retorts for them.

Secondly, when asked to explain Creationism, or Intelligent Design, whichever name you want to use, they will always resort to the same bullshit reasoning. Usually using the universal constants, of some version of irreducible complexity as a justification for believing in this shit. Again, these arguments where refuted years ago, I can even take you to 5 year old YouTube videos of people refuting them. Even more insulting is the false dichotomy given. The implication is that, either they're right or everything "randomly got that way", which is bullshit. Creationists know that Evolution is not a mechanism based on chance, we've told them time and time again.

Thirdly the Creationist will argue that our evidence is faulty, asking for the "missing link", even though there hasn't been a "missing link" in the human ancestry for over 2 decades. They'll try to argue that carbon dating is faulty, that archaeology is flawed, or even try to claim certain fossils are fake. Again, once a Creationist makes these arguments, the reasonable person arguing with said Creationist will naturally show them reams of evidence, which the Creationist insists on ignoring.

Lastly the Creationist will usually argue against "morality" which is basically insinuating that I am a raving monster ready to be set free. It's sick emotional pleading and a desperate attempt the scapegote this issue.

So... what the hell is it about Evolution that pisses off the Creationists so much? What possible reason do they have to purposely and continuously lie? I just don't understand... what possible benefit could Creationists have for a world filled by idiots, no medical research and no tech advancement? It just seems so counter-intuitive.

Anyone who can give me an answer, please do... oh and don't try to disprove Evolution, you're not good enough for that, any of you. So...

Why???
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11-01-2011, 03:07 AM #29
Stack0verfl0w
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I believe in science 80% things I doubt. I also believe in god, science is getting more complex every day. Which is great for the progress for the human race. What wrong with religion or no religious, is that we should not force to make other believe what we believe. Things would run much smoother really.

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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
Your entire post is completely wrong and insultingly so, don't post outright lies like this in my threads again. I want an actual discussion, not to sit here debunking your stupid claims. The fact is we've mapped the human genome and the genome of thousands of other species, and we've done it so accurately you can plot the DNA transitions on a fúcking tree graph... and guess what it perfectly matches the phenotypical tree we get from fossil records. Also Mice DNA is only an 85% match with humans, so even your so called "facts" are bullshit.

Evolution is not even close to fact.
11-01-2011, 03:13 AM #30
Originally posted by GE90 View Post
I think God created the Universe and he lets science do the rest. Who says God and science cant work hand and hand?


Don't groan us for those posts above, either make a valid point or leave.

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Originally posted by Complexed View Post
Evolution is not even close to fact.


It's as much of a fact as gravity, would you deny the fact/the existence of gravity?

You remind me of a really stupid user that used to roam around here, no offence.
11-01-2011, 03:14 AM #31
Just4Hax
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[QUOTE=Clutch Hunterr;3909199
It's as much of a fact as gravity, would you deny the fact/the existence of gravity?

You remind me of a really stupid user that used to roam around here, no offence.[/QUOTE]
It's coding btw Not Happy or Sad
11-01-2011, 03:15 AM #32
Originally posted by Sir View Post
An open minded person should be able to accept evolution as fact, which explains HOW things work, and turn to religion to answer questions such as WHY these things occur.


*sigh* There doesn't have to be a "why". Us humans are just so far in our own little bubble we seem to think there must be something special about us, well you know what, there isn't. Simply.

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Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
It's coding btw Not Happy or Sad


LMAO!!! I KNEW IT!!! It was Coding he reminded me of I just couldn't remember his username You must login or register to view this content.
11-01-2011, 03:29 AM #33
TornadoCreator
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Originally posted by Complexed View Post
Evolution is not even close to fact.


Yes it is. You are wrong.

I will not debate you further, you are wilfully ignorant of fact and unprepared to back up your outright idiotic statement and I find it insulting that you deem that response worthy of my time, and that's coming from me, a guy who literally has fúck all to do most days... even my time if too valuable for you. I shall from this point on, show you the respect you deserve when it comes to debate, sod all. If you're not prepared to educate yourself, tuff shit, it's not my job to inform you.

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Originally posted by Clutch
LMAO!!! I KNEW IT!!! It was Coding he reminded me of I just couldn't remember his username You must login or register to view this content.


I'm assuming "Coding" was a particularly stupid moron who was so laughable that he was forced to changed his name just to get people to take him seriously... am I right?

This is why I dislike name changing. I never know who anyone is.

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11-01-2011, 03:35 AM #34
Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
I'm assuming "Coding" was a particularly stupid moron who was so laughable that he was forced to changed his name just to get people to take him seriously... am I right?


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11-01-2011, 04:12 AM #35
Sir
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Originally posted by Clutch
*sigh* There doesn't have to be a "why". Us humans are just so far in our own little bubble we seem to think there must be something special about us, well you know what, there isn't. Simply.

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LMAO!!! I KNEW IT!!! It was Coding he reminded me of I just couldn't remember his username You must login or register to view this content.



I was saying that religious people in general should at least accept evolution as fact, and turn to religion to answer different kinds of questions if they need to. I am not religious, nor do I give a rat's ass why we're here I was just suggesting something to people who do.
11-01-2011, 07:35 PM #36
Booshykins
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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
I'm assuming "Coding" was a particularly stupid moron who was so laughable that he was forced to changed his name just to get people to take him seriously... am I right?


I don't see why he even tried.

His choice of the username "Complexed" makes me think even less of him for acting like he's something he is not. It's amusing though. Annoying, and not particularly productive, but amusing.

It's nice to have someone to mock here.
11-02-2011, 08:33 PM #37
Stack0verfl0w
Computer engineer
Originally posted by Clutch
Don't groan us for those posts above, either make a valid point or leave.

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It's as much of a fact as gravity, would you deny the fact/the existence of gravity?

You remind me of a really stupid user that used to roam around here, no offence.

Yes evolution has it fact, I miss represented my self. I do believe to into such an expense and partially discredit it.

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