Post: Trayvon Martin
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03-29-2012, 12:04 AM
#1
Lovol
Guest
Try to refrain from racist words or remarks, as I will too. So just post your opinions about the situation below, as I'll post mine too.
In my opinion, I think that this Trayvon Martin situation is a bunch of crap. Honestly, all of the ghetto black people are just pulling out the race card, etc. I had even saw a picture of a guy selling a shirt saying "Pussy ass cracker." And in school, since I live in the county this happened in, I saw this ghetto black girl with a sign saying "Arrest that cracker." I mean, it's a real shame that all of the ghetto black people pull out the race card no matter what. This is just like the OJ case. They all say he's innocent when clearly proven otherwise with more than a sufficient amount of evidence. Sad thing is - Zimmerman isn't white.
Not to mention Trayvon's history. He was suspended in school for having been caught with a weed bag in his bag? I mean... He's obviously not the angel everyone has been giving him accreditation for. People just really need to see the factual side of this seeing as that Trayvon was around the area trying to act like a thug. He was probably planning on doing other bad shit anyway. Not to mention, beating up Zimmerman was enough to get his ghetto ass shot.
Trayvon is guilty and deserved to die, as Zimmerman was only protecting himself.
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03-29-2012, 01:34 AM
#20
Omniplasma
Rookie
Originally posted by Lovol
1) You're completely right. There is no "evidence." We're all going by on what we heard and assume.
2) I don't normally say people deserve to die. That's a terrible thing to do. However, in this case... Trayvon wanted to act like a thug, so he died like one. No one's fault but his own.
2) I don't normally say people deserve to die. That's a terrible thing to do. However, in this case... Trayvon wanted to act like a thug, so he died like one. No one's fault but his own.
I don't see enough evidence saying he was acting like a thug either, but the media is portraying him as one. Wearing a hoodie doesn't make you a thug. Walking home at night doesn't make you a thug. If anything, Trayvon was protecting himself from some random older dude posing a thread and presenting a gun. George was by no means threatened by this boy. A smart man would go inside, lock the door and call 911. If Trayvon wielded a weapon, or pointed a gun at Zimmerman, then by all means shoot him, but that was not the case.
03-29-2012, 06:39 AM
#21
Chaz
Tremble Underfoot
In all honesty, I haven't paid too much attention to this in the news. Yes, its very sad and tragic, but I've got more important
shit to worry about. That being said, I'll join in on this discussion. Keep note that whenever I decide to voice my opinion, I will
always be the middle guy. Meaning I won't be biased to either side.
To start, I completely agree with Lovol's first post. African-American's have been known to
gain some sort of righteous indignation in situations like this, and the culture as a whole immediately becomes a victim.
That's where the bullshit starts. You have one person as the "victim". That was Trayvon. Not the entire population of
African-Americans. I don't understand what causes an impulse for majority of the race to feel that they have become a
victim of a crime, that wasn't even committed against them?! I can't fathom it. If anyone has the answer, please tell me.
Masses upon masses of people that don't even know Trayvon have come to show support. Yes its out of respect, but the
fact is, they don't know him. It's not their business.
I mean, I just watched Schindler's List for the first time this past week. (Fantastic movie by the way) And I nearly cried at the
end. And the thing is, how many jewish people do you see ranting on about the Holocaust or what their ancestors went through.
Sure, they acknowledge it and are saddened by it, but you don't see a Jewish person going around putting the belief into their
head that they went through the pain of their ancestors. Masses of Jews can associate with the Holocaust because, lets face it,
what African-American ancestors went through was a day in paradise compared to what Jewish ancestors went through.
Do you get my point?
Now, as far as Zimmerman, this guy was simply doing his job. He was neighborhood watch, or whatever. I don't know the details,
but from what I've read, he was following Trayvon because of suspicious activity. (At any time please correct me if I'm wrong)
The thing here is, the police told him not to follow Trayvon. Yet, he did. Then I guess Trayvon initiated by attacking Zimmerman,
who mind you, is about 3-4 times the size of Trayvon. At no point, should this man have pulled out his weapon in self-defense.
To me, that is the sign of a coward, and a person who doesn't know how to use a weapon. Zimmerman shot Trayvon out of his
own righteous indignation, and killed him. Zimmerman is 4 times the size of Trayvon! He could have killed him with a punch if he
wanted to! But if you give a blind man a gun, he won't know where he's aiming.
Now, to clarify my stand on this, even though I'm not being biased I'm simply shedding light as to what I believe the outcome will be,
Zimmerman will be found not guilty. According to the law, and the law is golden, Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Morally, he broke
many rules in the book. However, there will be no justification in order to prove that he is guilty.
This case isn't about laws, or political decisions. Its about morals. And the last time I checked, the court system doesn't
give a hoot about morals.
shit to worry about. That being said, I'll join in on this discussion. Keep note that whenever I decide to voice my opinion, I will
always be the middle guy. Meaning I won't be biased to either side.
To start, I completely agree with Lovol's first post. African-American's have been known to
gain some sort of righteous indignation in situations like this, and the culture as a whole immediately becomes a victim.
That's where the bullshit starts. You have one person as the "victim". That was Trayvon. Not the entire population of
African-Americans. I don't understand what causes an impulse for majority of the race to feel that they have become a
victim of a crime, that wasn't even committed against them?! I can't fathom it. If anyone has the answer, please tell me.
Masses upon masses of people that don't even know Trayvon have come to show support. Yes its out of respect, but the
fact is, they don't know him. It's not their business.
I mean, I just watched Schindler's List for the first time this past week. (Fantastic movie by the way) And I nearly cried at the
end. And the thing is, how many jewish people do you see ranting on about the Holocaust or what their ancestors went through.
Sure, they acknowledge it and are saddened by it, but you don't see a Jewish person going around putting the belief into their
head that they went through the pain of their ancestors. Masses of Jews can associate with the Holocaust because, lets face it,
what African-American ancestors went through was a day in paradise compared to what Jewish ancestors went through.
Do you get my point?
Now, as far as Zimmerman, this guy was simply doing his job. He was neighborhood watch, or whatever. I don't know the details,
but from what I've read, he was following Trayvon because of suspicious activity. (At any time please correct me if I'm wrong)
The thing here is, the police told him not to follow Trayvon. Yet, he did. Then I guess Trayvon initiated by attacking Zimmerman,
who mind you, is about 3-4 times the size of Trayvon. At no point, should this man have pulled out his weapon in self-defense.
To me, that is the sign of a coward, and a person who doesn't know how to use a weapon. Zimmerman shot Trayvon out of his
own righteous indignation, and killed him. Zimmerman is 4 times the size of Trayvon! He could have killed him with a punch if he
wanted to! But if you give a blind man a gun, he won't know where he's aiming.
Now, to clarify my stand on this, even though I'm not being biased I'm simply shedding light as to what I believe the outcome will be,
Zimmerman will be found not guilty. According to the law, and the law is golden, Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Morally, he broke
many rules in the book. However, there will be no justification in order to prove that he is guilty.
This case isn't about laws, or political decisions. Its about morals. And the last time I checked, the court system doesn't
give a hoot about morals.
03-29-2012, 07:04 AM
#22
VHS
Has been a while
Not really giving my opinion but just giving some updated information that might change your opinion(s) or make you think about it/them a bit more....
~updated information about Zimmerman having no bruises, scars or any sign of physical harm on his body at the scene of the crime. Zimmerman told cops that Trayvon allegedly attacked him and that he had bruises, and blood on his head and clothes because of it and only used the gun for self defense.
~updated information about Zimmerman having no bruises, scars or any sign of physical harm on his body at the scene of the crime. Zimmerman told cops that Trayvon allegedly attacked him and that he had bruises, and blood on his head and clothes because of it and only used the gun for self defense.
03-29-2012, 04:52 PM
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03-30-2012, 01:34 PM
#25
Wondoh
Former Staff
I've read up on the situation and from my point of view Trayvon got what he deserved, he provoked Zimmerman and started the "fight".
Punching him and slamming his head on the ground to a stranger who did nothing wrong.
What's up with that?
He had no reason to do so and Zimmerman was just using self defense, as he was probably scared for his life.
Now we don't know how he was shot I.e while he was on top of zimmerman or once he got up.
But you shouldnt randomly start hitting a stranger and not think about the consequences.
Punching him and slamming his head on the ground to a stranger who did nothing wrong.
What's up with that?
He had no reason to do so and Zimmerman was just using self defense, as he was probably scared for his life.
Now we don't know how he was shot I.e while he was on top of zimmerman or once he got up.
But you shouldnt randomly start hitting a stranger and not think about the consequences.
03-31-2012, 06:12 PM
#26
VHS
Has been a while
Originally posted by Wondoh
I've read up on the situation and from my point of view Trayvon got what he deserved, he provoked Zimmerman and started the "fight".
Punching him and slamming his head on the ground to a stranger who did nothing wrong.
What's up with that?
He had no reason to do so and Zimmerman was just using self defense, as he was probably scared for his life.
Now we don't know how he was shot I.e while he was on top of zimmerman or once he got up.
But you shouldnt randomly start hitting a stranger and not think about the consequences.
Punching him and slamming his head on the ground to a stranger who did nothing wrong.
What's up with that?
He had no reason to do so and Zimmerman was just using self defense, as he was probably scared for his life.
Now we don't know how he was shot I.e while he was on top of zimmerman or once he got up.
But you shouldnt randomly start hitting a stranger and not think about the consequences.
Zimmerman claims that Trayvon slammed his head on the concrete floor and kept hitting him, yet there is police footage of Zimmerman in custody and we see no signs of bruises, scars, blood or any physical harm around his head and body. If anyone's head was being slammed on concrete there would be blood everywhere even if it's a little scar.
I'm not saying Trayvon didn't provoke Zimmerman in any way because there is no evidence to really prove that but what Zimmerman said Trayvon did to him is a complete lie.
03-31-2012, 06:13 PM
#27
Grumpy
Grumpy is God.
Originally posted by OFWGKT
Lovol, I really find this interesting, seeing as you're from the same area as Trayvon.
In my opinion, Zimmerman is guilty. He used a lethal weapon during a hand to hand fight. Now, lets take a few things in...
Zimmerman is not a cop. He was a neighborhood watch person.
Zimmerman was big. Although he doesn't look "ripped" he is not a small twig.
Trayvon was in 9th grade, or there about. Lovol correct me if I'm wrong.
Regardless of how "suspicious" Trayvon looked, he shouldn't have been followed that closely. Simply watching were he went would suffice.
Also, with a hoodie and jeans on, and him walking away, Zimmerman couldn't have seen that he is black before pursuing him.
That means this is not a hate crime, IF it is a crime. Now imagine if you were walking home from a gas station, and a big man started following you. You legally have no where to go. You can't trespass into someones yard to escape, unless he's seriously pursuing you. Now I'm a decent sized kid, 190 lbs, 5 ft 11, and I can tell you if a man is following me, and I have no escape route, I'd confront him, if it's my last resort.
Since it's impossible to prove whom confronted whom first, or who instigated this, let's assume Zimmerman was not at fault by following Trayvon, and Trayvon DID throw the first punch. The real issue, which I find very interesting, would be Zimmerman's use of deadly force. (A gun)
Now let's take a legal look at this.
The Florida law states... In Florida you may lawfully use deadly force, BUT ONLY to defend your life. Florida is one of a handful of states in the US that has "no duty to retreat" doctrine written into the state's laws. (i.e.: If you are in, or at, a place that you may lawfully be, and are accosted or trespassed upon and threatened with deadly force you may retaliate in kind.)
Now the real deciding factor in this case is "threatened with deadly force". Is a fist a deadly force? If a fist is considered deadly, then there will be no consequences for Zimmerman, if the race card isn't pulled in the trial, which is B.S. If a fist is considered harmless, then Zimmerman will rot in hell.
Personally, I believe they were both at fault, and I feel playing the "drug dealer" card, as many do, is wrong. They claim he is a bad kid cause a kid on facebook asked him for some "plants". In all honesty, who doesn't smoke. Whether he was high or not, if he wasn't harming anyone or anything, he should have been allowed to proceed without interruption, IF he was not harming anyone or property.
Also, I'm in Naples on the South West coast of FL, there was a killing a lot like this that went down, I saw it on this site a month or so ago.
Opinions?
In my opinion, Zimmerman is guilty. He used a lethal weapon during a hand to hand fight. Now, lets take a few things in...
Zimmerman is not a cop. He was a neighborhood watch person.
Zimmerman was big. Although he doesn't look "ripped" he is not a small twig.
Trayvon was in 9th grade, or there about. Lovol correct me if I'm wrong.
Regardless of how "suspicious" Trayvon looked, he shouldn't have been followed that closely. Simply watching were he went would suffice.
Also, with a hoodie and jeans on, and him walking away, Zimmerman couldn't have seen that he is black before pursuing him.
That means this is not a hate crime, IF it is a crime. Now imagine if you were walking home from a gas station, and a big man started following you. You legally have no where to go. You can't trespass into someones yard to escape, unless he's seriously pursuing you. Now I'm a decent sized kid, 190 lbs, 5 ft 11, and I can tell you if a man is following me, and I have no escape route, I'd confront him, if it's my last resort.
Since it's impossible to prove whom confronted whom first, or who instigated this, let's assume Zimmerman was not at fault by following Trayvon, and Trayvon DID throw the first punch. The real issue, which I find very interesting, would be Zimmerman's use of deadly force. (A gun)
Now let's take a legal look at this.
The Florida law states... In Florida you may lawfully use deadly force, BUT ONLY to defend your life. Florida is one of a handful of states in the US that has "no duty to retreat" doctrine written into the state's laws. (i.e.: If you are in, or at, a place that you may lawfully be, and are accosted or trespassed upon and threatened with deadly force you may retaliate in kind.)
Now the real deciding factor in this case is "threatened with deadly force". Is a fist a deadly force? If a fist is considered deadly, then there will be no consequences for Zimmerman, if the race card isn't pulled in the trial, which is B.S. If a fist is considered harmless, then Zimmerman will rot in hell.
Personally, I believe they were both at fault, and I feel playing the "drug dealer" card, as many do, is wrong. They claim he is a bad kid cause a kid on facebook asked him for some "plants". In all honesty, who doesn't smoke. Whether he was high or not, if he wasn't harming anyone or anything, he should have been allowed to proceed without interruption, IF he was not harming anyone or property.
Also, I'm in Naples on the South West coast of FL, there was a killing a lot like this that went down, I saw it on this site a month or so ago.
Opinions?
He was not in 9th grade he was a Senior and he was 5' 11" 190 pounds a pretty large kid. Also Zimmerman has lost around 40 pounds since the picture that has been everywhere was taken I will have more recent pictures of Zimmerman and Treyvon in my take on the whole thing below.
Ok so here is my take on the whole Treyvon Martin case. First of all I would like to clarify something I have been this way since I started to really look into the case and I will stay this way until I see the Grand Jury decide. I am not on either side of this case I am just posting what I have found and my opinion on the whole thing. First I'm posting two more recent pictures of both Treyvon and Zimmerman because I know some of you have only seen the two main ones one of Treyvon with a Holister shirt on which is around 3 years old when he was a Freshman in Highschool and one of Zimmerman when he was much bigger than he is now.
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Now you can see from those pictures that Treyvon is much bigger and Zimmerman is much smaller. Now the picture of Treyvon I got off the internet as of the other two of Zimmerman but the one of Treyvon is making him look like a criminal or a thug which I do not believe that he is all I'm saying is he is not the complete Angel that everyone has been saying he got suspended at the time of the crime for possession of marijuana which is indeed irrelevant but it shows he's not an angel also he hangs around a group of friends that has been running from the law.
Now don't get me wrong here I am by no means saying that Zimmerman is innocent or had the right to shoot him. First of all Zimmerman was not the law and did not have the authority to act like it or anything. He was also looked at kind of odd and half crazy by the neighbors and the other people in the gated community. He was also told by police not to follow Treyvon. Now there was no way for Zimmerman to know that Treyvon was unarmed or just had a pack of skittles and tea but that is no excuse for his actions. I think people are pulling the race card too much and all they are looking at is he was just carrying a pack of skittles and tea but they are not looking deep enough into it or looking at the facts.
I think all of these protest and the whole "Kill this Cracker" etc. is completely unnecessary to give the man death threats when nobody knows the full story except him. I understand peoples anger but I believe that a lot will come out on April 10th when it goes to the Grand Jury and if he is not called guilty then there will be even more protest then people will say the judges are racist but whatever. We will see what happens that day but until then I'm out.
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